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Why Cakes Dome???
There are two desirable looks to the top of cake layers:
1) slightly rounded for a one layer cake
2) perfectly flat to stack as a multiple layer cake
Cakes dome in the middle for two reasons:
1) the metal on the outside of the pan conducts the heat faster so that the sides of the cake set while the center still continues to bake and rise higher than the sides.
2) the structure of the cake is too strong, preventing the leavening gases from escaping til toward the end of baking when they erupt through the center like a volcano.
My recipes are created to have the proper strength or structure of the batter to result in level or slightly rounded tops.
Solutions:
If you are getting doming:
1) try silicone pans (silicone does not conduct the heat the way metal does making the center to sides more even).
2) wrap metal pans with moistened cake strips. you can make your own by wetting paper towels and wrapping them in foil or purchase cake strips that can be reused many many times.
3) use a weaker flour. i you are using all purpose flour switch to cake flour.
4) increase the leavening. if using baking powder increase it by 1/4 teaspoon; if baking soda 1/16 teaspoon. you may need to increase it further depending on the results. leavening weakens the structure of the cake by breaking through the cell walls created by the gluten formed by the flour when combined with liquid.
5) increase the butter: an extra ounce of butter will coat the flour more preventing the formation of gluten, weakening the structure.
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I just read your instruction about doming and will try finding cake pads. However my bakery has all heavy aluminum pans by Parrish, (Magic Line) so the investment has been made. We are making wedding cakes. Is there a rule of thumb for the amount of batter that should go into a 3 inch pan? I also have a recipe from one of the country's best culinary schools where I took wedding cakes classes...it is a nightmare and I do know how to bake, as well its different than one the instructor gave tom Bon Appetit 9 years ago...it's a white cake that has heavy steaks of water at the base...she said it was fine but all the students had poor results..its actually gummy...If I sent the recipe could you tell if its off...
Reply to this Posted by: Jill | March 21, 2008 10:46 AM #
that's wonderful--i'm deeply impressed.no--nothing will be updated anytime soon.
re getting e-mails for threads that you don't want you have to go to the original posting and uncheck the box that notifiese you. as for double e-mails can't explain that.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | August 21, 2007 1:49 PM #
Rose...I've read your comments regarding the Cake Bible in relation to it falling apart because of lack of stitching. I've decided to buy your latest edition and have it stitched by a bookbinder. I just wanted to make sure, before I go to that expense, that you aren't planning on releasing a newer edition with more updates anytime soon. Thank you!!
Reply to this Posted by: Amanda | August 21, 2007 10:53 AM #
bjames - Hi. I've made that blend of flour and shortening in the past (but haven't tried it using the new crisco). Anyway, I would apply it with a papertowel. Since that time I've switched to just spraying my baking pans with non-stick cooking spray and I don't bother with any flour at all. I do line my pans with either parchment or waxed paper though.
Reply to this Posted by: Patrincia | August 20, 2007 10:02 AM #
i use baker's joy spray. it has no odor and creates the most sealed in crust and most perfect release.
i'm not sure how well the new crisco without transfats will work to make goop but in any case if you want the cake to unmmold from the bottom of the pan you need to coat the bottom as well as the sides.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | August 19, 2007 7:47 AM #
Hi Rose,
I was reading the comments about "cake doming", and came upon another method for greasing cake pans. The contributor said, " instead of using butter and flour to make a nonstick pan surface, make "Goop." The recipe is simply equal parts Crisco and flour, and it keeps forever...". Could you please tell me more about this? How much do you apply, and do you spread it with your fingers/paper towel, and on entire pan or just sides? It sounds interesting and maybe less messy than other methods. Thank you.
Reply to this Posted by: bjames | August 19, 2007 5:07 AM #
i especially like the model that has the dough button as it's ideal for bread.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | August 18, 2007 1:13 PM #
Hi Wanda - I have used a 7-cup capacity Cuisinart for years. It has served me well for making pie crusts, ganache, whipping heavy cream, preparing cheesecake batter, grating cheese, chopping nuts, etc. However, I like to cook "big" and have decided that it's time for me to move up to either the 11-cup or 14-cup model (because I often double or triple recipes). In summary, I think you will find the 7-cup model will accommodate most normal sized recipes or tasks well.
Reply to this Posted by: Patrincia | August 18, 2007 11:47 AM #
I am looking for some advice on a new cuisinart. I have the little pro now and love it, but just isn't quite bit enough. I made the Blackberry pie yesterday (it was sooo delicious) thank you Rose, but I had to take the dough out of the machine and add the water and mix the last little part by hand. I would rather NOT do that again. I am thinking of upgrading to the 7 cup, but before I do that, does anyone have any suggestions?
(BTW, Rose, I am going to increase my oven temp even higher the next time I make a butter cake. I have pushed it up to 380degrees, but will go even higher next time to try to get the baking time down to the recommended time.) Thanks. Wanda
Reply to this Posted by: Wanda LaLoggia | August 18, 2007 10:31 AM #
Maria, I'm actually having the same problem - but I've never had a problem in the US with that recipe before.
Right now I'm waging guerilla war on pastries in an old soviet oven that doesn't have temperature settings, along with using bread flour instead of regular AP - that's all they sell!
Anyway, good luck to you - my recommendation is to try reading through the recipe once, set out the ingredients, then do the recipe as you read it again.
Reply to this Posted by: Tim Piatek | November 24, 2006 7:59 AM #
just want to know if anyone has try to bake the,hershey's perfectly chocolate cake. i have but it never comes out right,please help me????? i really want to make or bake one. any help would be grateful sincerly, maria
Reply to this Posted by: maria | November 11, 2006 2:17 PM #
Thanks - I'll check out the "crossing the atlantic" section. The butter is the one thing I hadn't considered yet.
I guess I should also do some more careful research on how flours compare.
Wonderful site this is - wish I had found it earlier!
Luc
Reply to this Posted by: Luc | November 6, 2006 4:29 AM #
luc, please check the postings related to "crossing the atlantic by cookbook" as it relates to the pacific too! the biggest problem is usually the flour. then comes the butter with varying water:fat contents.
glad you found a way to make the cake work though.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | November 5, 2006 3:45 PM #
Rose,
I live in Japan and a couple days ago I made a 3-tiered wedding cake recombining elements from the cake bible. The cake, roughly based on your "dotted Swiss Dream", was a success! Everyone raved about the looks of the cake, which came out looking quite byzantium, and apparently people have been commenting about the wonderful taste in a local coffee shop.
Thank you so much!
I did ran into problems with the chocolate butter cakes, though. Some of the cakes came out with fudgy streaks in the center, and didn't rise well. I had to redo these and managed to get good ones, but it felt a bit like a hit and miss type of job? I think I did a careful job mixing the cakes - I used a kitchen aid and when I made these cakes before in the States I don't remember having these problems. Could it have something to do with Japanese baking Powder, flour, sugar?
Any suggestions for what happened would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again, Luc
Reply to this Posted by: Luc | November 5, 2006 2:55 AM #
refrigeration will firm up the layers and give you more control over them.
ganache would be great but just about any frosting in my book will act as 'cement' to attach the layers.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | November 1, 2006 6:46 AM #
I'm still trying , but the (very thin) 6 layer cake I attempted slid all the way to home plate.
If I refrigerate each layer after frosting will this help?
After the final assembly what frosting will bind it all and still look and taste great?
Reply to this Posted by: rich brier | November 1, 2006 6:19 AM #
ruth, it does help to make a hole in the center of each cardboard but be sure to drive the stave dead center of course!
re the baking powder--better to use measuring spoons if you don't have a scale accurate to two decimel points.
it could be the baking powder or it could be the volume though i did test each and every size! as a rule of thumb, never fill layer cake pans more than 2/3 full. my recipes seem to be perfect at a little more than 1/2 and a little less than 2/3. but anything more and it will be too high.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | August 25, 2006 3:14 PM #
I recently made a three tiered cake for my mother's 90th birthday party. I'd intended to decorate it at home, but when I realized how heavy it was going to be on a heavy crystal plate, I chickened out and trasported the fondant covered layers separately and decorated it on site. As it had to be carried down a long flight of stairs to the back yard I tried to put a stake through the layers, but couldn't get through the cardboard on the bottom of the top two layers. I'd sharpened the end of the stake in a pencil sharpener, but was afraid that I would squish the bottom layers if I pushed any harder. Is there a trick to getting the stake through the cardboard without mangling the cake? A quick sharp tap with a hammer? Cutting a hole in the center of the cardboard circle before putting the cake on it?
My layers were 11 - 8 - 5 of your white cake. I used your formulas to calculate amounts of ingredients, weighed everything, and used Magic Strips. The two 11" layers came out perfectly. Both the 8" and 5" layers rose dramatically above the top of the pan while baking and then sank and had a dark, crisp crust. I removed the crust and was able to salvage them, but would like to know what went wrong. Was the problem too much baking powder? My scale doesn't go below 5 gram increments which makes weighing small amounts difficult. Could it have been oven temperature? I was using my mother's oven and didn't have a thermometer with which to test the oven temperature.
Thanks,
Ruth
Reply to this Posted by: Ruth | August 24, 2006 5:21 PM #
thank you nandita!
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | August 24, 2006 9:27 AM #
I've always had this problem with cakes, but never bothered because I wasn't going to use it for multilayered cakes. Butlast week when I wanted to make a two tiered cake for my husband's birthday, the dome was indeed disturbing. Two layered because my single cake was too thin to cut into two.
These points sound really helpful and shall surely put them to use in my next baking session.
You have a wonderful site and wonderful credentials too. I'm glad I found your blog Rose.
Best,
Nandita
Reply to this Posted by: Nandita | August 24, 2006 2:27 AM #
the only sure thing to keep layers from shifting during transport is to drive a stake through them. this is what the professional wedding cake makers do.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | August 2, 2006 7:38 AM #
I'll try the silicon baking pans.
Here's an idea I picked up in a cake decorating class: instead of using butter and flour to make a nonstick pan surface, make "Goop." The recipe is simply equal parts Crisco and flour, and it keeps forever, nearly. You can refrigerate it or not.
About the domed cake tops, I was really interested to read the solutions to this problem. If it happens, though, you can cut off the dome and turn the layer upside down so that you don't need to ice over the crumbs left by cutting off the dome. Instead you're icing the bottom of the cake layer that is now the top of the cake. Also, a really good tip is to refrigerate your cake for hours and then ice it. Even if the cake is almost frozen, it will defrost by the time you serve it, and it's much easier to frost without getting crumbs caught up visibly in the icing.
A problem I would like to solve is how to transport a 2- or 3-layer cake for a party. I made a birthday cake that was like a wedding cake with really elaborate decorations for my neice's birthday. It was a really cute cake, but as we drove to the party, the car hit a bump and a layer or two shifted. I sort of fixed it, but I was really upset that most of my work -- and all of my pride in it -- was lost. I've been told wedding cakes are assembled on site, but I can't see how anyone would have time to finish decorating the cake. I'd love some ideas on solving this problem!
Reply to this Posted by: Linda Willis | August 2, 2006 6:50 AM #
thanks zach for answering for me while i 'recover' from three days at the fancy food show! you are a true treasure.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | July 15, 2006 10:47 AM #
Hi Mayen,
Try one of these three fantastic and very comprehensive books by Rose: The Cake Bible, The Pie and Pastry Bible, The Bread Bible. These will keep you busy for awhile. :)
Zach
Reply to this Posted by: Zach Townsend | July 13, 2006 8:55 AM #
do you have a book ?
Reply to this Posted by: Mayen celi | July 13, 2006 1:10 AM #
when my father turned 90 exactly 3 years ago and was living in humid FL i brought rye and pumpernickel sourdough bread instead of cake!
either jam or ganache will be fine for 2 days but if it's really hot i would make a thicker ganache. if there's airconditioning it should be just fine. take photo and do report back!
by the way, the new book won't fall apart no matter how much it's used because there will be a stitched binding like the bread bible! it always gives me mixed feelings to see a cake bible in pieces becaue i'm pleased it's being used and angry and the publisher for not being willing to stitch a book that has become a classic!
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | July 8, 2006 9:46 AM #
I'm making a multi-tier cake for my mother's 90th b-day. As I live on the otherside of the state from my mother, and I will need to arrive at her house a couple days early to help with the rest of the dinner, the cake will "sit" for a couple of days - probably at room temperature. I'm not worrying about it getting dry, as I will soak it with syrup and cover it with fondant. But what can I fill it with that can safely sit at room temperature for 2-3 days? I'm thinking of ganache and/ or jam. Would they be safe? Do you have any other suggestions? I've used the "Cake Bible" so much it is falling apart!
Thanks, Ruth
Reply to this Posted by: Ruth | July 8, 2006 12:58 AM #
Hi Rose,
Just a follow up on a posting here we exchanged not long ago. I ordered the Fresh Wraps baking paper from qualitapaper and they came awhile in the mail a few weeks back; just what I was looking for. The company was easy and reliable when it comes to the ordering process. The Fresh Wraps will work great for many of my cakes. Just a note though, minimums order quantities are high - I had to order a minimum of 1,000 sheets at the lowest cost of $91.00.
Otherwise,they are just what we were talking about!
Zach
Reply to this Posted by: Zach Townsend | June 16, 2006 3:24 PM #
good one phil!!! it doesn't suit my personality but certainly it's an option and i do it when it's too late to do anything else! what i don't like about it most is the crumbs in the buttercream problem!
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | June 12, 2006 12:07 PM #
great news daphne! i admire all of you who are willing to take the leap with new technology. it's so easy to stay with the old and familiar. i'll confess to having eyed my cuisinart on the counter for several years before deciding to use it. then made that ill-fated mashed potatoes and celery root which turned to glue and it sat for a few more years. in those dark ages of food carl sondheimer would actually call people such as me and egg me on to give it a try. what finally won me over was cream puff pastry. i wouldn't dream of doing it any other way now.
Reply to this Posted by: Rose Levy Beranbaum | June 12, 2006 12:06 PM #
The other option for perfectly flat layers is also the easiest: Just cut off the domed excess. You're frosting anyway, so no one will know the difference!
Reply to this Posted by: Phil | June 12, 2006 12:04 PM #
Remember me of the failed results with my first 2 tries with silicone pans - due to mistakes with the mixing? I'm so pleased to report I've just baked a couple of Sour Cream butter cakes this afternoon in the silicone pans and they came out with a beautiful even, brown crust all around. :-D (I lined the bottom with Glad-Bake and only sprayed and floured the sides which gave a gorgeous sealed crust all over)
So glad to finally know the silicone pans CAN give a lovely result - even browning the sides, which I was worried would turn out pale. The cakes domed a little during baking but during cooling, flattened out with nice level tops. My first success with silicone pans... I'm now an official silicone fan!
Reply to this Posted by: Daphne Pang | June 12, 2006 4:51 AM #