Is Kenwood still available?

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Is your 7-qt Kenwood (Rival) still available? I would like to have it! Thanks. Joe

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Hobart sold the Kitchenaid branch to Whirlpool years ago. KA is not the domestic branch of Hobart.

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Lori,

I have both the Bosch (universal) and a KA Professional 600. I burned out the motor in the KA in less than 3 months making bread so that's now a no-no and I use it solely for cakes, meringue and other lighter jobs. I agree with you that the Bosch is great for bread and can easily handle even stiff doughs as far as power is concerned, but it jumps off the counter top and needs to be constantly watched. Also, the bowl on mine is not very large - certainly not 12 qts and can accommodate only about 2kg of dough. So my answer was to purchase a 10 litre Hobart with 2 bowls and I now use it for almost all my bread except small quanitities (knead by hand or use the Bosch). It's also great for larger quantities of cake dough, meringue, cookies, etc. Incindentally Hobart is the commercial branch of KA (or KA is the domestic branch of Hobart) and you can see that the two mixers came out of the same stable. The Hobart is not as pretty but it's a real work-horse! However, I still use the Bosch for small batches of bread and cookies.

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Thank you Rose for the bread bible. I worked for 18 years in a commercial bakery making most breads from scratch. I have not worked in a bakery for almost 5 years and miss it dearly. I came across your book at a local Chapters and to my astonishment it was a signed copy. I clung to it as if for breath. My husband was concerned, confused. He is now quite happy with my purchase. I have just pulled out the most incredible loaf of challah from my oven. 17 inches long and 5 inches high. I sprinkled mine with both sesame and poppy seeds. I'm a baker again, thank you Rose. Denise

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I just finished all the comments, and thought perhaps someone should add a comment of years of experience with a Bosch. I'm 47 and first learned how to make bread on my mom's Bosch (she owned it about 4 yrs at the time) when I was 15. My mom's lasted her 25 years before it gave out. She replaced it with another after trying a couple other but took them back and went back to the Bosch which she still has, still reliable, though she doesn't use it neaarly as much as when she made bread for our family of 6 multiple times a week. I love making bread, though I hate cooking in general. There's something satisfying about making bread. I had told her that was all I wanted when I got married, so she got one for me. Twice I put too much flour in the bowl and left to knead, heard a thud and ran to find it on the floor. The first time was using the stainless steel bowl which made about 5-6 loaves at a time, a 12 qt bowl. The bowl was dinged. I hammered out the ding from the inside and I still use it. (Don't know if they still sell that bowl.)The second time did damage to the plastic unit, probably because the smaller bowl didn't protrude as much so the base had the impact. I picked it up, turned it back on and continued to use it till I retired it and got another one about 15 years later to show when I became a small dealer in our little town to for a few years around the 2K scare. By the way I still have my original Bosch and yes it still works great. (Though admittedly since my family has grown and I've gotten older I don't use it like I did before using it 2-3 times per week.) Years ago I saw a demo with an Artisan Kitchen Aid making bread and was told the dough had to be removed and kneaded when all the flour was in or the engine would burn out. I don't know about the bigger model, a 6 qt size, they make now but it has 575 watts and unless they've changed the Bosch (the larger one) it has/had 700 watts. I don't know of any other company who has as many years of success in bread mixing (and I mean the heavy whole wheat flour which is all I ever used for bread after grinding it myself in my grinder) than the Bosch. I hear the Kitchen Aid can't be beat for the other baking mixing jobs but for bread I doubt if Bosch can be beat.

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I agree, and remember a comment re: the Cuisinart's attachments been low not making full use of the 7 qt bowl. On my 6 qt KA, I can load the bowl to the rim and sometimes even an inch higher. I know it isn't manufacturer's approved and perhaps it affects the cake structure, but sometimes I even crank the handle to lower the bowl a bit, specially when overflowing, so the attachment reaches the top of the bowl; you can't do this on a tilt head.

The one thing I would appreciate on the large 7 qt bowl of the Cuisinart, is that even if not fully usable for capacity, the taller bowl helps prevent splashes. It looks like the 7 qt bowl of the Cuisinart is very similar in shape to the 5 qt KA Artisan tilt head. Tall, narrow, and with a sharp end on the bottom of the bowl. This shape is my favorite when mixing butter, sugar, yolks, flour, etc, stages that don't require aeration. Ingredients fall back in much faster.

Regarding the timer, it is a good feature, specially for commercial environment when you bake the same thing daily and repeatedly, or if you were writing a book or testing recipes. Most larger commercial mixers come with a timer. But for the typical home user who prefers to bake assorted and new things, I don't see how the timer will help much.

Shall you decide on the KA 6qt, you are going to love having 2 KAs, and now we can be closer to twins!

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Hi Hector - the bowl is huge... I've looked at this model at my kitchen store, I really like the timer feature, but I keep thinking of the comment someone made about the fact that the attachments go way down into the bowl (much lower than the bowl rim), so I'm thinking it might not be the best option for meringues and cake batters. I'll probably get a 6qt (and still hold on to my 5qt for larger projects).

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Patrincia, did you see Rose using the Cuisinart 7 qt mixer on the video? I am tempted! The bowl looks HUGE, or is Rose a tiny woman?

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Too late for me on the Kenwood; if I had known the auction was still up I would have bid for sure! Instead I bought a professional (univex 8-quart standing mixer). I really need something large to handle the volume I bake (typically three cakes per order). The univex has no problem with power but I don't love the design. It was the best I could do at trying to keep the purchase in the 3-figure range.

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Thanks Hector. I checked with KA Canada and they don't sell refurbished units. So I guess I have to buy a brand new one.

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Hi Rozzane. Amazon.com in the USA. You can also order direct from KA, free shipping.

I have 2 refurbished units, unless you look at the serial number under the mixer stand, which starts with an R for refurbished, I can't tell that the unit wasn't bough as new! Warranty is 6 months instead of 12 months.

I've read that KA brings back to "new" all their refurbished mixers, including cosmetics. This is specially true for the KA mixers because these are assembled and painted at their one factory in the USA.

Refurbished units do not include the pouring shield, which is useless in any case for the Artisan.

I don't have any experience with refurbished appliances, other than KA stand mixers.

I've had both units for about 3 years, one unit ran thru my Hawaii Way cake.

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Hector, where did you get your refurbished mixer from? I am so skeptical about getting refurbished items. How long have you had it for and does it work well?

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Kathy, thanks for reporting this. Hope you all don't get tired of my -same old- comment: "get two 5-qt KA Artisans in beautiful colors, refurbished for less than $150 each, and you will be able to knead 2x2.5lb of flour!"

You get 2 sets of bowls, beaters, etc, etc. You get 2 power hubs for attachments... how about one for rolling pasta and the other for cutting the pasta.

Yes, more countertop space.

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To respond to the requests for opinions or comments on the Viking 7qt- I have it and while I love it for large batches of things (cookies cakes, frostings), I am sad to report that it could not handle 5lbs of flour for a Portuguese sweet bread recipe I have. The good news is that it has an automatic shut off … so I did not blow out the motor.

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I just bough a kenwood mixer -KMM760 (1200W- 7 qt). I try to make cake but fail. What is the speed used to cream butter and sugar? Can someone help me. TQ.

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I've worked with Hobarts before and know how great they are. Unfortunately, I can't afford a Hobart mixer no matter where I buy it--I've seen how much they cost even at auction. And I don't have the space for one either. And finally, I need something quickly, and don't have time to sit through a lot of auctions.

For multiple mixers, it just doesn't seem worth it. If I need to make a batch of batter, I can't see spreading it out among three machines--it would just be that much more measuring which is time I want to save, by having a larger machine.

I'm really wondering now if I should go with the DeLonghi after all.

Thanks everyone who answered my post so quickly.

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LCR: I have noted this before, may I suggest you get a few KA mixers instead of just one big 10 qt? It is cost effective, and having several mixers, even smaller, is very practical than just one big mixer.

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no wonder, the kenwood, delonghi, rival, cuisinart, and viking looks so similar!

great tip on getting a Hobart from a bankrupted bakery =(

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LCR:
Good afternoon. DELONGHI the Italian firm bought out Kenwood of England. The Delonghi is the same machine as the old Kenwood/Rival logo. The differance being they added about 10% maybe 15% more Watts to the motor.
I heard that Delonghi corp also manu. the cruisnart mixer & the Viking machine on contract for these firms. I am only mentioning the rumor.
Anyway, see if you can buy a older model HOBART with a 10 & 20 quart capacity. Just look for Lawyer firms that deal in bankrupty & ask if they are handling any bakeries/restaurant firms. That is where you can get info if they are going to auction any Hobert mixers soon,& ete.
Good luck & enjoy the rest of the day.

~CASS/LAS VEGAS.

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I'm all mixed up about these mixers.

I'm about to embark on some serious baking for my home-based business. Well, to clarify, I've been baking for a while but now the quantity is increasing substantially. I need to upgrade to a much larger bowl, although a 10-quart bench mixer is too expensive.

So I'm trying to find a good quality 7- or 8-quart mixer. I was leaning toward the Electrolux, but I don't do breads, just cakes and cookies and pastries. So then I was contemplating the Viking or the Cuisinart, but both have pretty mixed reviews out there.

I missed the auction for this Kenwood mixer, and I can't find a Kenwood mixer anywhere online, nor a Rival one either. Everything points me to the DeLonghi. Is the DeLonghi the new Kenwood?

Anyone have a serious suggestion for me??

Thank you.

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Bosch or Electrolux Magic Mill - which one do you prefer for mixing yeast dough - 5lbs of flour ??

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My 6Q Kitchen Aid couldn't handle 5lbs of flour for challah - I was thinking of the Viking 7qt. Any advice or suggestions about the Viking 7qt.

Thanks,

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My 6Q Kitchen Aid couldn't handle 5lbs of flour for challah - I was thinking of the Viking 7qt. Any advice or suggestions about the Viking 7qt.

Thanks,

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My 6Q Kitchen Aid couldn't handle 5lbs of flour for challah - I was thinking of the Viking 7qt. Any advice or suggestions about the Viking 7qt.

Thanks,

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BETH:
Good afternoon to you. Thank you for your timely responce, I enjoyed reading your post. Beth,It isn't that I do not think the assistent creams very well...I think that the planetary type mixer is superior to the spiral type for that operation. Of course Beth we all have our opinions & we express them based on our experience. And I am happy to hear about your past experiences with this contraption. Sooo, I will remember your experience & perhaps sometime in the future I will give the "Assistent" another try...just to be fair.
Enjoy the week-end young lady.

~CASS/LAS VEGAS.

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I own a KA Pro, an Electrolux Magic Mill and a Bosch. I love each of them as each has its own strengths.

Cass doesn't think the Magic Mill creams butter very well, but I LOVE it for creaming butter. The trick is that the butter has to be soft as it does not do well with cold hard butter. It does a better job with Cream Cheese when it is soft, too.

The Magic Mill makes the smoothest cookie and cake batters I have ever worked with. It incorporates ingredients in a lovely way. It takes a little longer than a KA, but I think I get a much better product, including cookie dough. My shortbread cookies come out much more tender and flakey when I make them in the Magic Mill.

Like Cass, when it comes to whipping, I use my KA. For a long time I used the Bosch for bread doughs, now I make smaller batches and use a Zo bread machine for kneading.

Isn't it GREAT that we have so many choices these days???

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Babs, something didn't go right in the address the -owners comes after the word Mixer. I am going to try again for you.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mixer-owners

~CASS

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BABS:
Good morning to you. Yes I am happy to comply Babs. GO TO:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mixer
-owners

Enjoy the rest of the day Babs.

~CASS/LAS VEGAS.

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Cass and Hector, thanks for all the info. Cass, can you please tell me that website or chat-room or whatever it's called where people discuss the Magic Mill. Thank you so much. (and thanks for calling me a "young lady")!!!

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CORRECTION, it is all my opinion, no quotes here. For Rose's review please refer to The Bread Bible, or to pink sections on this blog.

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Yes, the Electrolux Magic Mill is rated better for larger amounts of bread dough than the Kitchen Aid.

Rose reviews both on The Bread Bible.

The KitchenAid stand mixer works a little differently than the Electrolux. The Electrolux has a center axle principle or a scrape and paddle mechanism which is fantastic for dough. The KitchenAid has the planetary action which is fantastic for whipping.

For whipping eggs, creaming butter, the KitchenAid is best.

For bread dough, the Electrolux is best, but it is justified mostly when you make large batches of dough. The KitchenAid handles dough perfectly, within the volume limits.

It is unfair to compare the KitchenAid against the Electrolux, or vice versa, if your subject is whipping eggs, creaming butter, or vs kneading large volumes of dough. Each of these subjects will turn to one favorite bias.

My ideal solution is to have the KitchenAid, you can't live without it if you need to whip eggs, meringue, buttercreams, whipping cream, creaming, cookie dough, and such. And to have the Electrolux if you need to knead multiple bread recipes. HOWEVER, it is now preferred (as Rose has reviewed), to use the Zorijushi bread machine, to knead bread, because it handles dough so gently, but up to a limited volume, too.

I have 3 KitchenAids (one Pro600, and 2 Artisans). I would not mind getting a Bosch Universal, built in concept series, because of the countertop-less design, but I think it is discontinued! The Bosch is similar to the Electrolux.

Whenever I make lots of bread, I have all my KitchenAids running at the same time. It is wonderful, just don't forget the ear plugs.

The Kenwood mixer is comparable to the KitchenAid. For many even better!

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BABS:
Yes Babs I own & use a Elect. Assistent
(Magic Mill) that is the old name. Same machine however. It is a spiral mixer as opposed to the standard type which is known as a planetary style mixer. The spiral type is a more efficient mixer for yeasted lean or rich doughs than the planetary type. It develops the flour gluten quicker as well it just takes 8, minutes as opposed to 10, minutes everything being equal. However Babs I must also tell you this, It isn't easy to learn how to use it efficiently. It took me about 20 times of use before I managed to use it properly. My problem was I wasn't applying the correct RPM I was too low.
Babs my very strong opinion is that this machine isn't as efficient as a planetary type mixer for creaming & whipping. So I use my 7,qt Kenwood mixer for that excercise.

Babs, it is true that Cook's Ill. magazine didn't approve of this style of mixer but that is because they didn't know how to use it properly. In fact there is a computer website club that the members just converse about the use of this machine & the members learn tricks from each other. I do not belong to it however.
Babs, I hope this info will help you to make the correct decision for youself.
Enjoy the rest of the day young lady.

~CASS.

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Has anyone had any experience with the Bosch mixer?? Thanks

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For what it's worth, Cooks Illustrated hated the Electrolux magic mill in their reviews. It apparently couldn't cream butter very well (got the worst rating for that). They didn't even think it was so great for bread.

We just borrowed a KA Pro 600 from somebody to test it out, and it seemed to labor as much as our old KA Classic that has a dead motor. It didn't give the impression of being any more powerful. (My wife was constantly afraid we were going to kill it before we were ready to return it to its owner.)

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Here is the link to the Magic Mill mixer which is made by Electrolux (yes, the vacuum people).

http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/magic_mill_dlx_mixer.aspx

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There is another mixer out there called I think a Magic Mill. Supposed to be great especially for mixing bread dough - and it can handle a tremendous amount of dough at one time. I'll get more details, but with all this discussion about mixers, maybe someone has this already and would like to give their opinion.

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RLB:
Good morning. I am currently a forum member of your baking club. My stage name is ~FRESHKID. I would like to submit my bid for the 7, qt KENWOOD mixer. My bid is for $150.00. Plus shipping.
Enjoy the rest of the day.

Cass Avona.

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Editing seems like such a monumental task. I don't know how you do it. Good luck. I hope you get some time to enjoy the holidays.

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Sheew, what a relief!

Thanks for all you do Rose!

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Now it's 2010???? ...what a bummer!!!

I just recovered from the disappointment of hearing that the book would be out in the fall of 2009 instead of 2008 (you posted that on 11-03-07).

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Rose, I can't wait. The Fall of 2009 seems like a lifetime away......but totally worth it.

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Well I bought a KA 600 pro and think it is the best machine on the market. I subscribed to soemthing called cooks illustrated website with reveiws of equipment and they rated the KA above the others (perhaps the cuisinart wasn't out yet last year though). It is a bit noisy though, and I regret that the head does not lift up to scrape the bowl while it is still attached like my small KA.

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Rose, I can't believe you remembered about "Princess Rose". You truly are an amazing person. If you come to Toronto for a book signing you will definitely get to meet her. I know she would love to meet you.

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I am very much interested with your mixer unit. Thank you much.

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Rose and Bill, I would LOVE to come to NY specially at this time of the year. In fact my husband and I were planning on driving to Buffalo 2 weeks ago but it never happened. I live in Toronto. It is a long drive and I would do it just for the sake of the mixer BUT I don't think my two daughters would appreciate it. The oldest is 4 and the youngest is 22 months. It will be a challenge to do such a long drive. My daughter is only 4 but she love to bake and knows so much about the subject for a child her age. Rose you should listen to her talk about you, like she knows you personally. Whenever she sees a pic on the blog she wants to know if "Rose made it".

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Rozanne:
Come to NY! Where are you in Canada...if you're close by like in Windsor it is less than 12 hours by car. This is a great time of year to come to NY. (I know...people have lives...and are busy this time of year...but I love it here so much I just figure everyone is dying to come!)

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Rose, I know mailing things to Canada is a hassle and I would never expect you to do it. I was just day dreaming about owning your mixer. My daughter loves to bake too and I would one day give it to her. And then.... I woke up...

Bill, I form emotional attachments to my equipment too. Fortunately, I have room for a second mixer so I wouldn't have to get rid of my current one. Although I am a neat freak and would have given away my mixer to accomodate Rose's. All in the name of neatness!!! Anyway, it's a irrelevant, I cannot have Rose's mixer.

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The person who complained about the cover lifting was referring to the machine's cover that conceals that plugs for the blender, food processor, and other attachments. In other words, the complaint was that you go to lift the head and instead the machine comes apart!

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I haven't seen any reviews of the cuisinart mixer. I mean, there are 4 posted on amazon which says things like "it's lighter weight and moves around more than the KA", and "the cover comes off when you raise the head". And "the motor overloaded and it stopped when kneading bread that the KA handled without trouble". And various people have complained about bread dough rising over the dough hook, with no solution but to divide the dough in half.

Published specs such as motor wattage aren't really very well linked to the actual functionality of the machine, unfortunately. The Cuisinart instructions indicate that speed 3 (out of 12 speeds) should be used for kneading bread. This seems similar to the kitchenaid, though there is no dire warning about damage to the machine if higher speeds are used.

These things don't make the Cuisinart sound better. There is a vague post to the forum on the cuisinart page where someone says it's much better than the KA Pro that her mother has, which she would hate to be stuck with. But no explanation of why.

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Rose - I sent you an email... let me know if you don't get it.

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Rose:
OH MY GOD! I had completely forgotton about "El Marko"! I remember those commercials. I just took a walk down memory lane!

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Rozanne:
I'm with you. I would love to have Rose's mixer...but I have a strong emotional attachemnt to my current mixer (I couldn't even imagine what the separation anxiety would be like if I had to get rid of it)...and I could never find room for two mixers...so my fire engine red Kitchen aid 5 quart will remain in its place of honor on my counter...and Rose's mixer will have to find a home elsewhere!

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Wow, I can't believe no one has made an offer as yet. I would love to BUT I live in Canada. I want it just b/c it's yours.

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Is the new Cuisinart better than the Kitchenaid Pro 600? I haven't seen any reviews of the cusinart.

I've heard it said that machine kneading is (much?) faster than hand kneading. But I've never seen anybody recommend hand kneading for an hour. (Maybe that's because nobody would do it.) Is a kitchenaid running at speed 2 actually no faster than working by hand?

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What mixer do you recommend? We make whole grain bread once a week at a minimum, plus I use it for making meatballs, meatloaf, etc.

We had a Kitchenaid K45SS and it just died. It was 11 years old, although it had only seen heavy use for about 4 years. (My husband, who uses the mixer to make bread once a week, asked if I thought using it on speed 4 for whole grain bread killed it.)

We were thinking about a Viking mixer, but the quality control seems terrible and since we were unable to view one in real life, we can't tell if it actually works and doesn't drop the beaters into the bowl when it has batter or dough on it.

We just looked at the Kitchenaid Pro 600 and it looks fabulous (and it costs much less than the Viking).

I suppose the alternative is to get the old mixer repaired, but we fear that with plastic gears, it won't hold up.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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Rose, what a kind offer. Have it laser engraved with your autograph and I am certain it will fly!

This is THE mixer you all should consider if you currently don't have a stand mixer. I already have 3 about this size, so I am in fact looking for a 10/20 quart.

My friends from Italy visited the Arizona Memorial yesterday, and snapped this picture in the kitchen of the submarine... thinking of me. Enjoy.

http://www.hectorwong.com/roselevy/ArizonaMemorialMixer.html

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